As we all know, I should hope, there’s a one account per person rule.
For some reason, Mouse/Muffin believed that they were the exception to this rule and played two accounts and pretended to be two people.
It was discovered after Muffin was seen to be using an illegal chinese proxy (strictly speaking we could report this to her ISP and she could get into quite a bit of trouble) and yet claimed to not know anything about it,d espite the fact that to do so, she’d of had to enter the details directly into mushclient, likely almost every time she connected. So I asked to connect to this blog site, she did. And it showed up as Mouse, on the lil widget with Mouse’s IP.
She claimed that Mouse must of just ‘logged on’ and co-incidently viewed my website at that exact same time. Unlikely. So I give her another chance to prove herself. I ask her to load my bycarmine.com site again. She did. I confirmed she was there.. she said she was, I checked again.
Same IP. Same Person. Just using a proxy connect to the mud to conceal her address.
At this point of time, until she ends the charade, she is not welcome to play on Dark Isles. Honesty is the best policy here, and until she tries it out, any attempts to connect and play will be stopped.
Additional note for Mouse/Muffin: I’m not stupid, and until you stop ‘pretending’ and trying scramble your way out of this with even more lies upon lies, you’ll get no response.
Mouse
July 24, 2009 at 1:56 am
This is a hell of a thing to wake up to you know.
I’m not Muffin.
I don’t know how or why she’s on my IP but I’d be interested in figuring that out because it’s not cool.
Yes. Muffin is a bitch. I fell for the sweet act too and she stole from my house yesterday, which is why we’re not on speaking terms.
She wasn’t going to leave DI, so I did. This is probally her way of getting back at me, hell if I know.
It’s 9am, and I’ve spent the last hour trying to figure out what the hell just happened.
More later. I’m too frazzled.
Mouse
July 24, 2009 at 2:10 am
Update:
Only way she could have been on my wireless is if she was sitting outside of my house or somewhere on the block. Probally not hard, I live right next to the Caribou and Perkins.
At this point, she wins. There’s no way in hell that I can prove something based on IP. This experience has taught me that you should really have a password set up on your wireless connection though.
I’m trying to not be pissed at Carmine. It does look bad from your seat and I can’t really blame you. Imo, this situation just blows.
Mouse
July 24, 2009 at 2:12 am
On second thought, she’s not -that- smart.
She was probally just trying to hide the fact that she was using my internet.
Either way, thanks for the confidence guys. I feel betrayed.
Mouse
July 24, 2009 at 2:24 am
Nessa.
Requested a refund. I was happy to donate to your game, but I’m upset that you’d have a discussion with someone you thought was me and not actually have one for the actual me and then judge and punish me on it.
This whole thing is ugly and was a disturbing start to my day.
Good luck with your game.
It would be nice if eventually, you realized you nailed the wrong person.
Mouse
July 24, 2009 at 9:21 am
I hate to break your logic Nyssa, but I have been you your blog several, several times and I’m not an idiot. If I was trying to hide from you, I would have ghosted my ISP from the Digsby. It’s not that hard to do.
While my logging in to talk to you this morning was exceptionally bad timing,
The fact that Daisy was dumb enough to go there at all should have clued you in that something was wrong with the picture you’re painting.
I’ve filed a dispute on paypal and will escalate it to my credit card company if I have to. The longer I have to think about it, the more pissed I get that my integrity is being questioned.
I value my integrity. I’m not going to lie and admit to something I didn’t do just to please someone.
Mouse out.
Mouse
July 27, 2009 at 6:59 am
A final word.
Respect is built on trust.
Why this situation upsets me:
I had absolutely no reason to cheat in the first place. Zero motivation, and no benefit. The fact is that I didn’t have two accounts. A false accusation won’t change the truth, even if it is a genuine belief. Nyssa’s not going to back down from her belief that I’m two people, and I’m not going to back down from what I -know- is the truth but have a limited way of proving.
I wake up one moring after having an incredibly shitty night to have someone defaming me and yelling at me for something I didn’t even do.
Fine. Believe whatever you want, At this point, I really don’t care.
But realize this. I’m not coming back. My heart is not broken by this, and I am invoking a refund on my donation because I feel that I was misled, lied to and taken advantage of.
I was taken advantage of by Daisy, who didn’t bother to tell me she was stealing my broadband via my open network, and I was taken advantage of by Nyssa, who didn’t even explain to me what was going on when I woke up but just assulted me with accusations and concluded me guilty.
There is an impasse.
I’m taking my money to another game, and moving on. While I don’t hate anyone here and had really been optimistic about the game’s future, I’m just NOT going to be treated like a criminal and liar when I haven’t done anything wrong.
It’s just not fair to me and even if my innocence was proved, I’m not sure I could erase the memory that it happened in the first place.
I doubt anyone would be dissapointed to see me leave. I can’t help but wonder in the back of my mind, if that’s what this is really about and Daisy just providing a window of opportunity so that I seem like a bad person somehow.
Not a cool feeling to have.
Mouse
July 27, 2009 at 7:10 am
Others should know -
I live in Bloomington/South Minneapolis. Wi-fi use is rampant and there are SEVERAL open networks of various signal strength to use.
I could log in right now, with a completely new IP and start playing, but I don’t and wouldn’t.
The twin cities area that I live in have wi-fi as a public service that we pay taxes for. I just happen to have my own private one.
Point being. All of this has been discarded and not considered before accusing me of something. If I was trying to cheat, I’d like to think I’d be a little more intelligent than use my own internet.
And as far as Proxy’s go. Nyssa should have considered that Daisy is probally using the same one that she’s been using since Shadowsiege, back when we all had to use proxy’s to connect because the service was done. She’s just not that bright on the computer stuff, and most likely never removed it. (and yes, some servers are permanent)
I apologize for being blunt, but I felt that if there are going to be public accusations, it should only be fair enough to include all relevent information, including the Facts.
Mouse
July 27, 2009 at 7:35 am
I am going to offer one apology to be fair. Although I hadn’t realized it at the time, I am to blame for at least part of this confusion and it would be wrong of me not to explain it.
Here’s why I am guilty of escalating this mess:
It did not occur to me until just recently (about ten minutes ago) that Location and technology differences might actually be to blame for some of the assumptions going on.
For example, I made a mistake in assuming that everyone has the same technology in their city as I do.
I live in the third largest city in my state and as a result, we have extremely well serviced wireless that is available for public use.
I didn’t bother to explain this aspect to Nyssa because it never occurred to me at the time, that it wouldn’t just be a natural realization or assumption on her part.
I assumed that she’d already know that because it’s common knowledge to me.
That’s what I -am- going to apologize for. I was becoming angry over what seemed like ridiculous claims to me about using a proxy to cheat on my own wireless connection, but if someone didn’t know that these services were available, it really does make sense that I’m the one who’s going to come across as far-fetched or ridiculous.
I don’t think this changes anything, but it would be wrong of me to put all of the blame on this confusion on Nyssa. Or, as much as I don’t like her right now, Daisy.
I’m just frustrated at the fact that it even happened when it seems so senseless, and don’t respond to slander well. (She might see it is true, but I just see it as a hurtful lie)
I’ll hang around long enough to see this settled. I’m one of those idiots who think that all misconceptions can be cleared up by explaining enough facts.
Darvhul
July 27, 2009 at 10:43 am
And I logged on and expected it to be a new version of “If you give a mouse a cookie”
Wow. Was I wrong.
Esper
July 27, 2009 at 12:06 pm
*looks up ‘donation’.”
To present as a gift to a fund or cause; contribute.
I’m confused why a gift would ever be treated the same way a person treats a game that requires pay, demanding a refund if something isn’t satisfying.
Mouse
July 27, 2009 at 2:10 pm
I donated under a false belief that I would be contributing to something that I intended to be a part of.
This is not the case. And the way that it was handled left a sour taste in my mouth.
If I hadn’t been blindsided, or if I had actually done what I was being accused of, I wouldn’t even consider requesting the money back.
But I donated in good faith and I feel very misled, whether intentional or not.
Leech
July 27, 2009 at 8:56 pm
“”But realize this. I’m not coming back.”"
Always nice to trust your first impulse.
Mouse
July 28, 2009 at 3:06 am
Trusting the first impulse seems to be how it works around here.
I had come back to this one because of the people I was used to playing with, That reason and feeling has been stripped from me pretty abrubtly and I don’t see it returning anytime soon.
My reason to play is gone.
I only mentioned the donation because I wanted Nyssa to know there was a disupute on paypal for her to look into and I know she is very busy. I do not in any way, want that to act or appear as some sort of bargaining tool, because it’s not.
Luminasita
July 28, 2009 at 8:43 am
She could have believed flying monkies was around her house, it wouldn’t change the fact. Paypal asked specifically for a ‘donation amount,’ not a ‘receipt in case of return.’
Mouse
July 28, 2009 at 3:12 pm
A donation on a false pretense is still fraud.
It’s bad taste to keep someone’s money after throwing them to the curb.
It’s the the money itself, it’s the Principal.
If we want to get into technicalities, then I’m sure we can talk about reporting donations as income when filing taxes next.
Mouse
July 28, 2009 at 4:32 pm
Damn the lack of edits. It’s -not- the money, it’s the principal.
I couldn’t let that statement stand as is, it makes my stomach churn.
Carmine
July 28, 2009 at 5:57 pm
“A donation on a false pretense is still fraud.”
False pretenses? What false pretenses? What conditions do we make that you expect us to adhere to if someone donates?
If someone breeches our rules, if they donate are they then somehow immune to being banned, either temporarily or permanent? No. Of course not. A donation is just that. A donation. There is certainly no fraud as no where does it say on the donation page (or anywhere on our site) if you donate, you gain a right to play for certain length of time. That would be a fee system, and even on such fee systems, if you break the rules.. then you lose what money you have paid in.
Whether you agree or not, we looked at the evidence and decided we believed you to be in breech of our rules. That is our call to make, it is our game. Even if I was to believe your story, your connection is your responsibility to secure, and it is your responsibility to ensure your passwords are safe. You would still be in breach of our rules.
You have been told that if you wish to appeal the decision and have someone else look into it, you may contact Archon for it to be reviewed. As far as I am aware, you have not.
As for reporting donations, we don’t get that much (ie it is under the threshold for income tax here in NZ).
Mouse
July 29, 2009 at 3:44 pm
I contacted Archon. He wanted me to admit to him that I was cheating, even tried to tell me what he’d keep it a secret between you and him and I.
But I’m not going to lie, period. It violates a tenate of who I am and I don’t give a damn if it would be easier to just lie and say I did it.
I’d sooner eat my own spleen.
You said you’d look at the MAC numbers, but you never did. You banned me because someone else used my wireless, period.
I didn’t break the rules, you just think I did. I can’t change that, but I don’t have to agree with it, OR admit to something I know I didn’t do.
It is in extremely poor taste to take someone’s money but tell them they aren’t welcome to play unless they lie to you in order to satisfy a suspicion.
I don’t care if you think you’re right. I know you aren’t.
Mouse
July 29, 2009 at 3:48 pm
Archon made a point to comment that he didn’t like me and thought I was a bitch.
Wanting me to be guilty of something doesn’t change that I didn’t do what I’m being accused of. Liking or disliking someone should have nothing to do with it.
Mouse
July 29, 2009 at 3:53 pm
I want you or Archon to come out and just admit that you are banning me because you don’t want me to play. (That’s what I was getting from the IM conversation with Archon)
That just makes me think that you know I’m not Daisy but you’re using it as a way to get rid of me.
I think that you also know that there’s no way in hell that I’d admit to doing something I didn’t do.
Which makes it easier.
Tell me I’m wrong?
I’d like to hear that I’m wrong, although I’m not sure I’d really believe you anymore than you say you believe me.
Archon
July 29, 2009 at 3:54 pm
No, that is a misleading comment, I NEVER said I didnt like her. In fact I said that she was a pain in the ass but was interesting to have around and, in a separate comment, that I had seen her be a bitch. If you want to post about me atleast be accurate. REALLY makes it less likely Ill believe your protests of innocence when you dont.
Carmine
July 29, 2009 at 3:57 pm
I did look in to the logs to see if they recorded the MAC address, they unfortunately do not.
I banned you because we investigated the situation and the facts pointed to the fact that it was more likely you were guilty than not. In our minds, 99% more likely.
But even if we were to believe what seems to be the completely unlikely story you pose, the security of your connection and your account is your own responsibility. The multiplaying rules were still broken, and given the issues at hand, we made our decision as to what we would do about that. As is our choice, given that it is our game.
Just because you donated money does not give you any superior rights over anyone who does not when it comes to the rules. Nor would we not act on a breach of our rules simply because someone had donated.
Carmine
July 29, 2009 at 4:09 pm
This has nothing to do with me not liking you. Archon was not even aware at all of the situation until today. I don’t even know you, I’ve barely spoken more than a few words to you.
The situation arose because we, the staff, feel you were cheating. We investigated and as far as we are concerned, the investigations only further backed up our suspicions. We made a decision based on that.
I admit that how you are dealing with the situation, the spam I’m getting via comments, and IM etc doesn’t improve my opinion any of you. And I am sure you are not exactly liking me either at the moment.